The case before the Canadian Supreme Court is actually whether civil courts even have the right and authority to hear cases and resolve disputes in voluntary organizations.
John Davis
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
by poopie inbecause he was shunned by his customers?.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
by poopie inbecause he was shunned by his customers?.
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John Davis
Actually the questions before the court is:
How do the fundamental freedoms of religion and association protect membership decisions of religious communities and other voluntary associations from state and judicial interference – What are the boundaries between what is and is not justiciable with regard to membership and other disputes between members of voluntary associations – Whether the public law remedy of judicial review applies to membership decisions made by voluntary associations such as religious communities?
It does appear that you can watch the oral arguments for the Canadian Supreme Court from yesterday on their website.
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Witnessing Just After Sunrise
by Iamallcool inabout everytime i go to the grocery store just after sunrise, i can see the witnesses sitting and waiting inside their cars to distribute literature.
it is not against the law for them to do that.
i was wondering do they allow parking lot witnessing in your area?.
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John Davis
Most parking lots are private property. in fact, seemingly public property, such as a public library, public park or public building owned by the government is still technically private property. Those types of properties have more limits on the restrictions that can be imposed but limits can still be imposed because it is owned and operated for a specific purpose.
The few examples of truly public property is actual streets and sidewalks where there is extremely few restrictions that can be placed except for the purpose of public safety and crowd management.
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Lawyer from Canada Bethel turns whistleblower
by krismalone inlawyer from canada watchtower branch reveals how the watchtower protects pedophiles.
he had the courage to speak up against the evil policies that protect pedophiles.
this video needs to go viral.
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John Davis
That is why I said could be sued, there are a lot of factors that go into if a violation like this is actionable. But it could also be that even in general terms without specifics it could be a violation of the attorney-client privilege. If you are working for an attorney and a corporate client is asking the attorney to help set policy that work is still privilege. The idea behind the privilege is to ensure that clients can speak freely to their counsel openly and frankly in order to ensure justice.
As https://www.legaltree.ca/node/792 states:
The purpose of solicitor-client privilege is to facilitate full and frank communication between client and lawyer in the seekingand giving of legal advice, thereby promoting access to justice. The Court has said that the “privilege is based on the functional needs of the administration of justice. The legal system, complicated as it is, calls for professional expertise. Access to justice is compromised where legal advice is unavailable.”[2] “Clients must feel free and protected to be frank and candid with their lawyers with respect to their affairs so that the legal system […] may properly function”.[3] The privilege “stretches beyond the parties and is integral to the workings of the legal system itself. The solicitor-client relationship is a part of that system, not ancillary to it”.[4]
I am not saying in one way or another that he should be sued or suffer other penalties. It does though explain why he may not want to identify himself for the fear of suffering civil penalties over this.
But I also state what I stated because some people here have made the thought that if a member of the US legal department fades and starts to spill the beans that this would be a huge help to lawyers like Zalkin. My point is that if a member of the US Legal Department did do that, it may provide some help but the information provided would be privileged and would most likely never be able to be used in civil litigations.
Look at even in the Lopez case Mr Zalkin has all files of child abuse prior to 2001 but those documents are under seal and it would be a violation of the law for him to use it in any other case because those documents have a measure of privilege.
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Lawyer from Canada Bethel turns whistleblower
by krismalone inlawyer from canada watchtower branch reveals how the watchtower protects pedophiles.
he had the courage to speak up against the evil policies that protect pedophiles.
this video needs to go viral.
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John Davis
If this person is, in fact, working for the legal department he could be sued for breaking of attorney-client privilege. The privilege does not just apply to lawyers but to those that are working under the direction of lawyers. Also, I am not certain in Canada but let's say that someone from the US Legal Department did this, the things that they said wouldn't be admissible in a court of law again because it is breaking the attorney-client privilege.
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California Elder Arrested
by James Jack incrime.
daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.
there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
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John Davis
I don't think anyone can think that any organization, religious or secular, will be able to have no instances of this type ever within their ranks. People join organizations with their own flaws and issues and will hide those qualities at all cost. Even this man if you take out that he is an elder, he worked for a police department as a POST credentialed dispatcher, to get hired into that position he would have had to go through a full background check and polygraph exam. He also worked with people whose job it is to investigate crimes and they didn't recognize it. Some people are just really good at hiding who they really are.
So it isn't that organizations can stop people from committing these horrible things but it is how the organizations respond to it and mitigate any further damage.
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John Davis
I believe that this is in reference to the accusations against John Cedars that he was involved in a case of molestation with a 14-year-old girl. I don't know if it is true or not but that is what the OP is probably referring too.
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Barred from entering kh
by poopie ina friend of mine called last night we will call him tom.
he is df now for 2 yrs for associating with a a df person non relative.
anyway he arrived at the meeting this week and was informed by 3 elders that he was no longer welcomed at the hall.apparently he was caught greeting someone in the parking lot after meeting.
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John Davis
Yes, they legally can do that. They will just have to revoke the implied invitation then the person would be trespassing on private property.
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Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower
by berrygerry infrom reddit:.
this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.
both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).
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John Davis
I think that the appeals court will affirm in part but also reverse in part.
I think that they will affirm portions of the daily sanctions fine probably the $2000 a day for not turning over the records. The court will probably see it as a contradiction from what was said in the Lopez appeal and what is being said now.
I think that they will reverse the redaction sanction and will allow somewhere between what Zalkin wants and what Watchtower wants to be the amount of redaction. I think that the court will see that there are privacy concerns of the third parties. I think that the appeals court will use this opportunity to clarify what the court ruled in the Lopez appeals case when the court ruled that third-party identifiers can be redacted. Also because Zalkin argued at the trial court that the reason they are needing the files is to look at numbers, redacted reports will still give them the same information.
The part about Watchtower being a separate corporation from CCJW that one is a toss-up. Other courts have viewed them as different corporations and cannot be responsible for the other's actions. This part will be the most interesting part.
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Damon Wayans was apparently at 2017 Annual Meeting
by Richard_I infrom this post on reddit.com/r/exjw, damon wayans was at the 2017 annual meeting.
the wayans were raised as jw's but i don't think any of them stated.. strange to see him here.
this is the same man who defended bill cosby from all the sex abuse allegations..
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John Davis
I used to see him at assemblies all the time actually pretty recently.